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February 23, 2004

Got My $13.86

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 3:30 pm

My $13.86 check from the CD MAP Antitust Ligitation arrived today in the mail — the first damages I’ve ever received in a lawsuit.  I guess I should take back all the nasty things I’ve ever said (or innuendoed) about over-paid class action lawyers.  Naw.


According to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on Feb. 20th:



Checks for $13.86 each were mailed Friday to about 3.5 million consumers who bought CDs, vinyl records or cassettes between 1995 and 2000 and filed refund claims by last March. . .


About $47.4 million was being paid in consumer refunds. The companies also were giving 5.6 million music CDs, worth about $77 million, to libraries and schools across the country. About $20 million of the final settlement was used to pay for attorneys fees and other administrative costs, said Tom Dressler, [Calif. AG] Lockyer’s spokesman.

February 22, 2004

Putting the Piggy in Piggy-Back

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 8:14 pm

Microsoft has made a strong argument against the $97 million attorneys fees requested by Townsend and Townsend and Crew in its California antitrust consumer class action against Microsoft.  T&T&C seeks another $197 million for 34 other firms that worked on the case.  (The Recorder, Microsoft Says Class Fee Request Doesn’t Compute, 02-23-04)


pig black $$$$


Microsoft says that the class action settlement merely piggybacked on the U.S. government’s antitrust case in U.S. v. Microsoft and other private litigation.  (As we reported here last June, the FTC has made similar arguments against enormous fee requests in piggy-backed cases, as well as all-voucher cases, such as this California class action.)


According to the article, Townsend is seeking a 5.75 multiplier on its lodestar of $16 million, while Microsost says the multiplier should be no more than 1.5 on a portion of the thousands of claimed hours.  The Recorder article offers many more details.

Fee War Coming to Chicago

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 8:01 pm

The Law.com Daily NewsWire says that major competition over lawyer fees is coming soon to Chicago, as Detroit’s largest firm, Dykema Gossett, is acquiring a 78-lawyer Chicago firm (bringing its total to over 400 lawyers) — and,  “says it plans to keep average partner rates near $300 an hour — about half of big firm rates” in Chicago.


This warms my antitruster-consumer-advocate heart.  Any chance of trickle-down competition for the masses?  

Driving with the Wrong Kind of Hot Chocolate

Filed under: pre-06-2006,Schenectady Synecdoche — David Giacalone @ 7:54 pm

Last week, my municipal police force finally decided to enforce the NYS ban on hand-held cellphone use while driving; and it made national news! As Reuters/msnbc.com reported on Feb. 20th, Andre Gainey was arrested for watching the porn movie “Chocolate Foam” while driving his Mercedes Benz in Schenectady, New York. This sudden incentive for law enforcement will not surprise anyone familiar with the recent history of the Schenectady Police Department, whose members seem inordinately interested in strip joints, lap dancing and similar but tawdrier pursuits (especially in their off hours).
Check out the MSNBC report for more fun details of the arrest. (Civic pride forces me to correct one error: Schenectady is a City, not a Town). Myself, I’m sipping regular-old, healthy hot cocoa, and hoping there will soon be a cellphone crackdown on the soccer moms and college students who endanger my life daily on the roads of this poor little burg.

February 21, 2004

Sipping Chakras with Scheherazade

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 11:37 pm

First we tout the health benefits of hot cocoa, then the mystical Scheherazade Fowler shares her secret stash of chakra-stimulating tea — seven tastes for vitality and inspiration.  Our financial investments may be neither hot nor liquid, but our health investments sure are. 


red sailboat  . . .


Being so young, and thus feeling immortal (on non-marathon days), Scheherazade is almost certainly not worried about the inferior antioxidant content of her tea.  Good chakras are, admitedly, pretty important, too.  Sure hope the teas aren’t a Chakra Con. 




  • Of course, Sherry and I are quite unlikely to divert our vinic weblawgger colleagues, the good professor and the wise fool, from their own form of healthful imbibing.

Give Online Settlement a Chance

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 9:42 pm

Responding to a post at elawyerblog by Carolyn Elefant, LawESQTech’s Glenn K. Garnes has confessed to some “mixed feelings about online settlements.”  A Crain’s New York article on an experimental online program for personal injury claims against NYC prompted the original post, and a prior one by ethicalEsq.

 

Glenn says:


On the one hand, I understand the value of aiding parties to get their cases settled more quickly through online offer and demand exchanges. On the other hand, I believe the use of such services minimizes the significance of why lawyers are in the equation to begin with.

After describing how a lawyer’s skills (e.g., in negotiating) can increase a plaintiff’s damage settlement, Glenn concludes:


 “I cannot endorse technologies that replace the lawyer’s vital role in the legal process while adding no real value to the client.”  (emphasis added)

Since Glenn offered to listen to other perspectives, I’m setting down a few quick points for his consideration:



  • the Crain’s article makes it clear that cases will be carefully selected (and will be low-end cases); certainly cases exist that are far too complex for such a simplified system


  • the NYC program’s facilitator will, per the article, ask for additional information, not merely a settlement offer, giving the lawyer the opportunity to marshall facts and arguments; there also doesn’t appear to be any prohibition against contacting opposing counsel by letter or phone 


  • frankly, there are many cases in which the attorney brings little if any “added value” to the claim that the plaintiff brings to the attorney (see, e.g., this law review article, at 1213) — this can happen when, inter alia, the claim is simple, the defendant readily acknowledges its responsibility, or the busy and/or lazy lawyer simply doesn’t do much


  • for many injured persons the highest forms of added value are expedition of the process and reduction of the lawyer’s fees to reflect a quickly reached settlement; online settlement can hopefully lead to both results in a significant number of cases, with very little to lose by giving the process a try.

Update (02-22-04):  Glenn Garnes has provided a thougthful response to each of the points made above.  They’re well worth a look.

O’Keefe & Giacalone on Marketing Weblawg Marketing

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 1:02 pm

Kevin O’Keefe’s Comments to yesterday’s post about lawyers and weblogs are worth sharing here on the front page (as is my reply!).

Kevin:

There are going to be blogs that do nothing to bring in clients while there are going to be blogs done well that will bring in clients. In the late 1990’s when law firms threw up sites, like Carolyn mentions, that did not work a lick to bring in clients, I had a law firm site that worked wonders in bringing in new clients and fees.

bowling strike . .

My site worked because it was focused on the niche area in which I specialized and was totally focused on profiding people practical legal information. My site came up in the search engines because it was chock full of helpful content. People comingto the site told us they liked the fact that we did not speak like lawyers they had come across and we demonstrated a sense of care for ordinary people. If lawyers want to have a blog and get up on a soap box and write a lot on a little bit of everything without publishing focused content that will help people that’s fine but that’s only evidence that they do not know how to use the Internet to attract clients. It is not evidence that blogs do not work as marketing tools.

Blogs are just Web sites built on blog software that make them easier & more effective to use than a Web site. There are thousands of lawyers in this country getting lots of good work from Web sites and related Internet marketing, which Carolyn says does not work.

Blogs, just a Web site, will generate good work for good lawyers who learn to use them or hire someone to do the work effectively.

I’ll not change your opinion but I think you are a bit short sited and off in your limited analysis.

order today

David [humble editor]:

You make some good points, Kevin, that we can agree upon, and they really make my point:  (1) weblogs are merely websites with an easy-to-use format and reverse-chronological posting; (2) if a lot of factors are well-aligned (and with a lot of luck), a weblog may be able to attract clients.
I’ve never said they can’t possibly work to bring in clients — I’ve said that merely spouting the buzz about all the added “traffic” is inherently misleading without a lot of caveats, not only because no one knows what the traffic number signify, but because no one can even point to anecdotal evidence of a significant number of weblawg success stories for bringing in clients (as opposed to ambiguous page-hits). Carolyn has apparently not heard of any, nor have I.

My problem with the weblog boosters is that they fail to inform potential buyers of their product just how little data there is about weblog success as an actual money-maker.  I think Carolyn is far closer to the truth about weblogs by pointing to the over-hype of websites for law firms a few years ago — similar to the overhype of dot.com stocks that led to the market bubble bursting — than are current weblawg vendors who point to every bit of information about weblogs generating “traffic” and being the next killer-application, without all the caveats.
wake up call When you start having prominently-placed caveats on your vendor website, I’d be very happy to use you as an example of a Model Weblawg Vendor.  Until then, I’ll plan to use my good Google-placement as a soapbox and a Caution Sign for lawyers thinking to make the considerable investment in time it takes to start and maintain a quality weblog.  [By the way: no one has ever approached me looking to hire my services, despite all the very nice things said about this weblog; that may be because I’m retired and not looking for business, but not many visitors are reading my About page to find that out.]

afterwords: See our posts “Kevin found a marketing success” and “Craig Williams shares his thoughts on weblogs” (April 19, 1004).

February 20, 2004

Realism About Weblawgs from a Born Optimist

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 8:31 pm

A lot of webfolk have pointed to Carolyn Elefant’s excellent Legal Times articleIt’s a Blog World After All: If you’re seeking greater visibility, a Web log may be for you” (02-19-04).  I want to point out her frank assessment of weblogging as a marketing tool for lawyers:


While I’d like to say that starting a blog will magically bring hordes of clients to one’s doorstep overnight, I’d be grossly exaggerating. Moreover, I’d be guilty of purveying the same kind of myth sold to solos (and many other lawyers) back in the late 1990s to connive them into registering for pricey, but ultimately useless, Internet referral services or into investing in expensive flashy Web sites with little substance that prospective clients could not find anyway amidst the heaps of information online.

 

lawyer cellphone small flip . . buzzzz 



At the same time, blogs — unlike conventional Web sites — have much to offer solos seeking to build and market their practice. Blogs can serve as a “quick and dirty” Web site, help solos keep abreast of new developments, gain visibility on the Internet and notoriety in their respective fields, and make new contacts — all of which can help generate referrals from other attorneys and attract new clients. . . .  [T]hough blogs probably will not start the phone ringing in the way that advertising on TV or in the Yellow Pages might (at least depending on practice area), the initial time and cost investments are so minimal, that there’s really no risk in giving blogging a try.  

In getting to know Carolyn since I started this weblog, one thing is clear: she is a born optimist — especially when dealing with people or causes that mean the most to her.  That’s why Carolyn’s refusual to be a blind mouthpiece for the growing “buzz” on weblogs as client magnets is especially important. 

 

echo . .  lawyer cellphone small  Most “buzz” starts with people with a financial or emotional stake in the “next new thing,” and is then amplified in their own echo chambers.   Those who believe the buzz very often get stung.   As I’ve been opining here, no amount of cyber-smoke or number-mumbo-jumbo can cover up the fact that the jury is just starting to deliberate (and has almost no evidence to consider) on whether lawyers can effectively use weblogs to increase clientele and profits.  There are a lot of other good reasons to start weblogs, but income generation is not a realistic near-term goal for the vast majority of webloggers.  Thankyou, Carolyn, for your cautious approach.


  • Postscript of Note (02-21-04): Weblawg Vendor (and good guy) Kevin O’Keefe and I continue the debate on the marketing value of weblogs for lawyers in this thread, which also got its own post.
  • Also, things are heating up at Jerry Lawson’s place, with a set of cascading comments.

Thou Shalt Not Self-Aggrandize (Deceptively)

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 4:38 pm

The New York Law Journal is reporting this afternoon that prominent New York attorney, Jonathan A. Weinstein, has been disbarred for “a pattern of deliberately false and deceptive conduct, including distortions of fact . . . undertaken for purposes of self-aggrandizement and in an arrogant and devious manner.”  (NYLJ, “Prominent NY Lawyer Disbarred,” by Daniel Wise, 02-20-04)


umpire See Matter of Jonathan A. Weinstein  (App.Div., 1st Dept, decided 02-19-04, 2004 NYSlipOp 01231), for the details of the conduct leading to disbarment of a member of a distinguished Queens legal and judicial family.

Hot News About Hot Cocoa

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 12:37 pm

coffee cup  more hot cocoa, please


Health Hint from haikuEsq: A Cornell University study recently found that a cup of cocoa has more than twice the antioxidants of a glass of red wine and three times more than a cup of green tea.   (infoAging.com, Cocoa’s Surprising Health Benefits, by Chang Y. Lee, Ph.D., Chairman of the Department of Food Sciences and Technology, Cornell University’s New York State Agricultural Experiment Station, Geneva, NY; and this pointer from SeniorJournal.com). 


Here are the numbers on antioxidant content:



  • Cup of Cocoa – 1200 mg.
  • Glass of red wine – 480 mg.
  • Cup of green tea – 330 mg.

If you’re wondering about convenient hot cocoa at the office, food chemist Yee says”I think that any premium commercial cocoa powder product would provide a nutritionally rich drink teeming with a relatively high amount of antioxidants. “


This very good news for we kids of every age (and especially tea-phobes like skepticalEsq).



Around the e&hEsq household, we use fat-free half-n-half for rich cocoa or coffee (with artificial sweeteners), to avoid worrying about clogged arteries or out-grown britches.  And, since we read Walter religiously, we never serve the stuff overheated.


 

February 19, 2004

Mommies, Meanies, Mud and Manure in Madison County

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 9:57 pm

   Two newspaper articles and two weblog posts have roused skepticalEsq from retirement (again) this week. According to the Alton (OH) Telegraph, a group called Victims and Families United held a pro-lawyer, pro-tort-suit rally on Tuesday, at the Madison County, Ohio, courthouse. (See Rally supports rights of plaintiffs, 02-17-04, Victims say suits justified, 2-18-04, by Sanford J. Schmidt) (with pointers from Evan Schaeffer, here and there)

  The Feb. 17 article quotes a VFU spokesman as saying: Their mission is to bring balance and fairness to the debate and protect access to the courts for victims and their families.” The Feb. 18 Telegraph article notes that one of the organizers, Judy Buckles, is the widow of an asbestos-related cancer victim, and states:

The speakers addressed about 60 people gathered in the foyer of the Madison County Administration Building in downtown Edwardsville. The crowd included victims and their families and people who work at some of the plaintiffs’ law firms.
Buckles said it is hard to pick up a newspaper or listen to television or radio these days without hearing criticism of the local courts. The publicity is generated by “tort reform” groups funded by big business, she said.

“They want to make it more difficult for families to find justice,” she said.


scales rich poor The ralliers are reacting to a spate of bad publicity about Madison County being the forum of choice for class action suits, and having more of them per capita than any county in the nation. ( See e.g., this and this and that from Overlawyered.com, and Evan’s response.) I strongly support continued access for bona fide tort victims, while bemoaning both damage awards and contingent fees that are unreasonably high. I also support two of the goals mentioned by Buckles (and I know Overlawyered’s Walter Olsen does, too):

  1. Pushing for reforms aimed at driving bad doctors out while keeping good doctors in practice.
  2. Weeding out bad lawyers and bar them from filing bad lawsuits.

I also think the “Sorry Works” program supported by VFU (in which hospitals that make mistakes would apologize for them and provide a settlement offer upfront) is worth a try, so long as the lawyer’s fee is significantly reduced when there is such a quick settlement.


But, I think you can understand why skepticalEsq might be a little, well, skeptical of the “grassroots” nature of the group. The group and rally might indeed be “grassroots” in the narrow sense of being at a local level, but it’s hard to believe that they came into existence spontaneously or sua sponte under the auspices of the victims and their families. More likely, the grass got fed some fertilzer. Note the newspaper account that the rather small crowd of about 60 “included victims and their families and people who work at some of the plaintiffs’ law firms.” (emphasis added) No break-down given.

  • The idea of a pro-lawyer rally reminds me of one of my favorite Wiley Miller Non Sequitur cartoons. In the panel, from 9-10-93, we see an enormous horde of lawyers marching behind a banner reading “Lawyer Appreciation Day Parade.” Sadly, there are no people at all lining the street to show their appreciation, and one of the parade leaders wants to send out subpoenas.
  • As for mud: If you want to be totally dispirited about the level of public discourse on the issue of tort reform and victims’ rights, please take a look at the reader opnions at the Telegraph website. No matter what one’s take on the issues, it would be difficult for reasonable persons to acknowledge having such allies.

Now, as for Evan [see hyperbole alert below]. At his entertaining (if occasionally propagandistic) notes from the [legal] underground weblog, he noted wryly “There are frequent demonstrations at the courthouse, but this is the first time I’ve heard about a group demonstrating in support of lawsuits.” But, at his Illinois Personal Injury Blog, p/i lawyer Evan gives the rally a lot more coverage, quoting at length from the 2/17 Telegraph article and, without the slightest note of irony, calls VFU a “new grassroots organization.” We here at e&hEsq are shocked and saddened that the author of a fine post earlier this month about misleading terminology dubbed “cynic incubators,” would utilize one of the prime examples of the c/i phenomenon to legitimize the p/i lawyers fan club. I hope he’ll give us some evidence (or at least rumors) about how VFU got started.

  • Hyperbole Alert (02-20-04): Due to my old-fogey reluctance to use emoticon’s in a posting, I apparently did not adequately signal that I’m merely poking fun at Evan (who is a very good fun-poker himself), and not questioning his integrity. Please see my late-night response (apology) to Evan’s extended Comment.

Here’s a good Rule of Thumb when reading this website: If David uses hyperbole such as “shocked and saddened”, you can be pretty darn sure that his cynic-tongue is in his cyber-cheek.

I need an emoticon-free way to signal “feeble attempt at humor and/or irony.” Or, perhaps, I need to swallow my elitist pride and use those silly emoticons. [If you, like I, need a primer on webmail emoticons and acronyms, click here.]

Lawyer Lincoln Was a Bargain

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 11:29 am

penny sm penny over


Our Feb. 12 post A Lincolnesque Law Practice? has been very warmly received, suggesting a craving for positive lawyer role models.  Today, a savvy visitor was kind enough to share the result he received when converting into today’s dollars the highest fee mentioned in the materials quoted in our posting — the $500 fee in the 1838 murder case of People v. Truett, becomes $9434 in 2003 dollars.


Using our own arithmetic wizardry, we estimate that Abe’s $5 fees for many client matters would have been about $95 now.  And, his annual income while riding the circuit, about $2500, would be about $47,000 now  Those numbers should humble a lot of modern lawyers, and hopefully make them reflect upon what the search for ever-higher income has done to the practice of law in America. 



afterwords: In a Comment here, Evan Schaeffer pointed out that Lawyer Lincoln once charged $5000 to a railroad client, in a case where the judgment saved the railroad half a million dollars a year in taxes.  Evan notes that the fee would be $104,166 in today’s dollars.  I had this reply: —



Lincoln asked first for $2000 and then for $5000, after being insulted by the client, which refused to pay the fee.  If he had asked for one-third of the client’s tax savings in one year (as many current trial lawyers might do), he would have asked for $166,667 dollars, or over $31 million in today’s dollars.  (Of course, many modern lawyers, who charge a contingent fee based on savings, would use more than one year’s result to calculate the fee.).


Thank you for helping me understand even better the difference between Lawyer Lincoln and many of today’s lawyers.

February 17, 2004

Value Billing or Venal Bilking?

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 2:58 pm

I‘ve been trying to figure out how “value billing” by lawyers could/should work in the context of the average client — a client who is not highly sophisticated or experienced in dealing with attorneys and their fees. [update: see our posting “Value Billing and Lawyer Ethics” (Jan. 28, 2004), and the comprehensive overview in broadening the hourly-billing debate” (August 18, 2007)]

complaint bill Alternatives to the hourly fee can indeed be ethical and should be encouraged — because they are a spur to creating the efficiency, innovation, and competition that lead to better client service and lower fees, not in order to lull the client into paying higher fees. In her article The Hours, Niki Kuckes provides a tart and pithy history of the billable hour. The hourly fee was originally used as a tool for capturing a lawyer’s value, by measuring the use of his “only expendable resource.” The legal profession, however, quickly turned it into an efficient machine for producing higher income and an inefficient mechanism for providing legal services. I’m afraid that the “value billing” mantra will similarly become a gimmick for “venal bilking” of the unsophisticated client.

When legal departments of large corporate clients talk about “value billing” they’re basically demanding lower overall fees, because they value lawyer services far less than the amounts produced under hourly billing. When negotiating for value, such sophisticated clients have much leverage, plus they have or will soon have

“the ability to measure efficiency firm-to-firm for similar projects; associates within a firm; rates between firms and geographies; matter outcomes; and any number of other metrics. Standard rates, discounts, alternate billing and fixed-fee arrangements will be tested as to whole case costs by comparing law firm financial information and disposition results. . . . The message is clear: Law firms need to pay attention to their own efficiency and the statistics against which law departments will measure them.” (Task-Based Billing Grows Up, by Sally Fiona King, April 2002, LPM, at 33; you’ll need to scroll down to this article.)

Likewise, the North Carolina Alternate Billing Commission explained:

IV. Large Corporate Clients Have Learned to Monitor Hourly Billing and to Modify Its Untoward Effects to Manage Their Risks.

Corporate clients have experienced personnel to monitor the work of outside lawyers and often have superior knowledge of market rates and the amount of time it should take to perform specific services. Since they can refer large amounts of work to firms, they have immense bargaining power. They minimize or share risks by bidding work, by making requests for proposals, by having bills reviewed by auditing specialists, and by negotiating favorable hourly rates, caps on fees, volume discounts, task-based billing (fixed fees for discrete components of representation), and, once they determine a range of values for specific types of cases, fixed fees in which lawyers assume the risk of uncertainty.

Clients who are less sophisticated in dealing with lawyers have no such leverage and no way to adequately measure the worth of a lawyer’s service. That makes taking value billing outside the corporate arena tricky. As discussed in our Feb. 12 posting on the lawyer-fiduciary and fees, clients must trust the lawyer to propose a reasonable fee arrangement. The lawyer must fully and candidly impart information needed by the client to make intelligent pricing choices, taking into account the client’s knowledge and expectations. (see the ABA Task Force on Lawyer Business Ethics, Principles in Billing for Legal Services, 1996)

It’s most unlikely that “average” clients know what the slogan “value billing” means. Lawyers have themselves used the term in a confusing array of circumstances. Some see it as task-based billing; others as retrospective valuation by the lawyer based on agreed-upon criteria; others as using flat fees, percentage fees, or contingency fees. One thoughtful observer explained the concept this way:

Value Billing: “The relative value method of billing creates schedules that break down attorney services by subject matter and task and assign a value or multiplier to each. . . . Value billing assumes the tasks performed by a lawyer differ in value. Hourly billing assumes that all time spent performing various tasks has equal value. (Alternative Methods of Billing, by Alexander Polsky)

A bar committee’s practitioner handbook, on the other hand, could only produce this un-illuminating “explanation”:

Value billing is a term of art in current legal economics circles. The client is charged for the value of your services. Generally, this means billing by a flat rate, after completion of the task based upon what has been achieved for the client. Value billing is advantageous for tasks you have repeatedly performed. In those instances, you know the average amount of time required for the project and you will not be paid less, the more efficient you become completing the task

Having found no guidance on how to use value billing ethically, beyond the basics of fiduciary and professional obligations, let me suggest two yardsticks for the reasonableness of alternative billing arrangements:

  1. the resulting fees are no more than would be produced by using a fair hourly fee plus a reasonable amortization of any time or money invested in efficiency-creating, service-enhancing technology (this assumes that the hourly rate reflects Rule 1.5(a) factors — experience, complexity, etc.– and that the number of hours reflects efficient and experienced lawyering) (See “It’s About Time: Break the Hourly Billing Habit, Let Automated Practice Systems Power Pricing Innovations,” by Marc Lauritsen, Law Practice Management, April 2002); or
  2. the resulting fees do not exceed those that would be produced if the client had engaged a lawyer solely to negotiate fees with the attorney. (see Brickman, 2003 U.Ill.L.Rev. 1181, at 1185-86)

No matter their personal bona fides (which I presume), neither the general approach to value billing described by Matt Homann in a recent post at [non]billable hour, nor that suggested by our valued frequent Commentor Dave!, seems to adequately extend to the client the protections due within the fiducial relationship or the rules of professional conduct.

Of course, I agree with Matt’s Maxim (in a Comment to our earlier posting) that “honesty, fairness, and client service should rule the day.” [give them apple pie and hot dogs, too!]. But that provides no practical guidance for how to set fees. And, Matt’s more specific first question to a potential or existing client seems to me to be downright dangerous: Rather than offering a reasonable fee upfront, Matt would ask:

“What do you think X would be worth to you?” And remember, “X” is not a contract, will, or deed, but rather peace of mind, security, or some other intangible benefit tied to the specific legal service you’ll be providing.

This approach turns the fidiciary relationship into an auction, where the single potential buyer is unaware of the seller’s knockdown price and has no way to judge whether the object for sale is a valuable antique or a fake. No matter the soothing words and good-feely ambience, it comes down to playing on the consumers fears and sentiments and then saying “make me an offer.” As a society, we would not dream of letting medical doctors take such an approach to pricing their services — “what is health or life really worth to you, Ms. Patient?” Why would we ever stand for lawyers doing so? The “anything but hourly” chant won’t suffice as a reason. No client should have to wonder “did I bid too high?” — or feel grateful that the lawyer offers a discount off the client’s bid.

Meanwhile, Dave! says appears to champion using a flat rate. He asserts that the lawyer’s product is not time, it’s “advice” or “consultation” or “a will” or “a home sale.” It seems to me that the lawyer’s product is time and expertise put to the service of the client, to achieve the client’s goals. The metaphysics and nomenclature are not as important as whether the client is well-served and the resulting fee is reasonable for the service provided.

Dave then asks “Why is the billable hour the fairest method of determining the value of those products?” I’ve never said it was the fairest — but, it is what clients are used to and use as a benchmark. Most untutored clients expect that deviations from the hourly rate — and especially flat rates — will result in lower fees. [See, e.g., DC Bar Ethics Opinion 238 (1993) (“A fixed fee agreement is attractive precisely because it offers a predictable and affordable fee, typically for a routine legal matter.”)]

When the lawyer is using a fee significantly greater than what an hourly rate would produce, the lawyer needs to make sure that the client fully understands the situation. The requirement of Model Rule 1.4 (b) that “A lawyer shall explain a matter to the extent reasonably necessary to permit the client to make informed decisions regarding the representation,” applies to setting fees as much as it does to litigation strategy.

Having explained that he has put together a high-quality, time-saving computer program for incorporation, Dave’s most telling question is: “Why can’t I charge a client $1500 for an LLC and see if the market will bear that price?” The short answer: A fiduciary may not “see what the marketplace will bear.” That is especially true when the client may be operating on a false assumption that a large amount of work is involved.

A lawyer certainly has the right to fairly amortize the cost of special investments that improve services over his or her client base. But, expecting every client to pay an entrepreneur’s premium is asking too much. If an individual wants to see what the market will bear, he or she shouldn’t become a lawyer — or should save those urges for activities that do not involve clients (like selling a really great legal software product to a company that can market it broadly).

When the client does not come to the table with the information needed to make comparisons among service providers or to know the nature and extent of the services needed to achieve the client’s goals, basic fiduciary principles mandate that the fiduciary-lawyer make the first price offer, and that it be reasonable from the start.

  • April 11, 2004: Soon (I hope), Matt Homann will give us his explanation of value billing, to help assuage my concern over the use of branding and value pricing to achieve “premium pricing” of lawyer fees. Matt suggested last month that I read The Firm of the Future: A Guide for Accountants, Lawyers, and Other Professional Services by Paul Dunn & Ronald J. Baker. Matt said that the book “sets out their vision of value pricing and serves as much of the model for my new firm.” I couldn’t find the book at my local Library (and won’t pay $40+ to buy one). However, I did use the Amazon.com “Search in the Book” feature to check out “value pricing” or “value billing” and ethics. The results were not the least bit calming for me on whether value billing will result in reasonable fees. For example (at p. 217)
    1. The book asserts there is no ethical contradiction, quoting from an ABA report, which says an agreed upon price is fair subject to market realities and the attorney’s professional obligations. Of course, that begs the question: the whole issue is what the lawyer’s obligations are when reaching the fee agreement (such as to disclose the amount of time needed to perform the work; or to limit profit to a reasonable level). and
    2. The book also says value pricing is ethically okay because businesses do it all the time — using airlines charging different fliers different prices for the same seat, movie theatres’ price for popcorn, and premium ice cream makers, as examples. My reaction: None of those sellers have fiducial duties; none promises to put the customers’ interests first (except when that will increase profits); none sell a product whose qualities the buyer is unable to judge. As I wrote back to Matt, “If movie theater popcorn is the touchstone for the ethics of value billing, I rest my case.”

    update (April 19, 20005): Ron Baker has replied to this assessment (evoking a response from your Editor) in a Comment to the April 8, 2005 post “ethics aside.”

  • Update (05-29-04): Rick Klau at tins asks whether lawyers can innovate and he correctly states that lasting, meaningful innovation can only happen when clients demand it. Sophisticated clients are already doing so and reaping benefits. It’s difficult to see how the average (“retail,” “unsophisticated”) client can have much leverage to insist on change. For them, it may have to be a broader, impersonal, market-wide push aimed at lower cost in general, that will force lawyers to gain efficiencies through innovation. Right now, the innovators in Main Street law firms seem to offer either assembly-line cut-rate services or “value billing” that takes advantage of digital age efficiencies without passing on the savings to consumers. As we suggested in our posting on the “guild mentality,” e-lawyering and other innovations won’t happen to any significant extent until a significant number of lawyers feel they have more to gain by competition (through price, quality, service) than by building walls against competition.
  • Update (04/06/05): fear of the billable hour does not mean that alternative forms of billing are automatically better from the perspective of the client or the lawyer. See chronomentrophobia.
  • Update (April 8, 2005): See “ethics aside” for your Editor’s lament about proponents of “value billing,” who don’t seem to take a lawyer’s ethical and fiduciary duties into account when they propose to move from billable hours to “premium” value prices.
  • Update (Nov. 20, 2005): Tonight, I discovered an article by Elder Law attorneys Timothy L. Takacs and Gill E. Wagner, called “Value Billing: It’s Time Has Come.” While urging the use of value billing and noting the disadvantages of time billing, the article states, “Notwithstanding time-billing’s financial bonanza, value-billing can do even better,” and continues: “In the long term, however, the shift to value-billing will dramatically increase your firm’s revenue and eliminate many of the costs currently associated with time tracking. It also will boost the goodwill among your firm’s clientele and, in domino fashion, lead to an increase in referrals.”

Ore. Doctors Prescribe Low-Fee Diet for p/i Lawyers

Filed under: pre-06-2006 — David Giacalone @ 9:00 am


The most costly Oregon initiative battle ever is expected this year, as medical doctors seek to limit lawyer fees to $100,000 in medical malpractice cases (plus expenses).  The Oregonian reported on February 13 that the campaign is sponsored by a committee called Oregonians for Quality, Affordable and Reliable Health Care, with funds mostly from doctors and many health care organizations and institutions. 

 

According to the Oregonian and the AP, a lobbyist for the Oregon Trial lawyers Association says it’s confident of victory because



[T]hey don’t expect voters to support the proposal. They point out that a 2000 ballot measure allowing the Legislature to limit the recovery of damages in civil “cases failed, getting only one-quarter of the vote.


“‘It’ll be injured people who will most object to this ballot measure because if you deny people access to the justice system, you can’t compensate them for injuries they received,’ said Alan Tresidder, a lobbyist for the trial lawyers’ group.”


An Oct. 2003 newsletter by the Oregon Associstion of Hospitals and Health Systems says the draft ballot titles are worded as follows:



  • Amends Constitution: Limits contingent attorney fees in healthcare malpractice claims to 20% of first $500,000. Yes vote limits contingent attorney fees in healthcare malpractice actions to 20% of first $500,000 recovered on behalf of an injured patient. No vote retains current law without limits on percentage of contingent attorney fees.


  • Amends Constitution: Limits contingent attorney fees in healthcare malpractice claims to 25% of first $250,000 recovered. Yes vote limits contingent attorney fees in healthcare malpractice actions to 25% of first $250,000 recovered on behalf of an injured patient. No vote retains current law that allows attorneys and clients to negotiate the amount of contingent fees obtained from a malpractice claim.

I’m not sure p/i lawyers should be quite so confident. Not only is the public far more aware of rising health care costs and insurance rates, but a measure to limit lawyer fees to an amount that sounds quite large to much of the populace may be far more popular than one limiting the amount of non-economic damages received by victims of medical malpractice.


I always wince when trial lawyers equate reducing “access to justice” with their receiving lower fees.  What they are saying here is that they are not willing to take cases that might result in less than a $100,000 pay day.  Since p/i lawyers already screen out cases that they do not believe are winners, that refusal to assist injured parties might seem like pure greed to much of the public.



  • One ethicalEsq caveat:  A very small number of cases may indeed require so much lawyer time that $100,000 is inadequate pay — especially if defendants used stalling tactics and the case was extraordinarily complex.  The proponents of this initiative should leave room in such rare cases for the attorneys to petition the court for an additional fee based on quantum meruit, with the losing party footing the excess fees.   

As for the status of the initiative, the Oregonian explained that “Because the initiative would amend the state constitution, organizers will need 100,840 valid signatures by July 2 to put it on the November ballot. The initiative has not been approved for signature-gathering because opponents have challenged the proposed ballot title. The state Supreme Court is reviewing the challenge.”  Stay tuned.

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