Monthly Archive for August, 2007

learning games

On 8/31/07, Short, Tim Timothy.Short @liverpool.ac.uk wrote:

Dear Charles (et al),
Thanks for the e-mail. I’ve attached the paper we’ve written for info; it’s the pre-publication version – awaiting a space in the journal. We’re currently working on “Part 2”, which has real-world examples of the approach, including Prof Appleton’s own company’s work. Just to note that the analogy we use isn’t solely limited to poker, it’s card games in general – although poker is perhaps the richest sources of learning.
Best regards,
Tim

From: Charles Nesson [mailto:nesson@gmail.com]
Sent: 27 August 2007 14:08
To: Short, Tim
Cc: prof @e-business-law.com; Andrew M. Woods
Subject: Re: Poker and engineering design

yes tim your approach is decidedly of interest. elaboration of the lessons thinking poker teaches against case studies of companies that have learned them will be key to legitimating global poker thinking.

i am cc’ing prof harry tan with whom i am talking about assembling a business conference on poker strategy in singapore and andrew woods gpsts director

On 8/24/07, Short, Tim wrote:

Dear Profesor Nesson,
I recently came across an article in the Financial Times which states that you are pushing the teaching of poker in order to “teach respect, business acumen and even war strategy”. I thought you might be interested in the approach that a former colleague (Professor Ernie Appleton) and I have developed, regarding the teaching of engineering design, based on an analogy with card games and poker in particular. We’ve recently written a paper on the analogy – available via http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content… .
I note in particular the FT comment that “some of these instincts for survival hardly encouraged notions of mutual trust”; on the other hand, we have drawn the analogy that Toyota’s approach to design effectively puts them in a poker game as 4 different players, each of whom know the other’s hand and is able to share cards to try to make up the best hand to beat the competition …
Anyway, please feel free to come back to me if this approach is of any interest and the best of luck for your “global poker strategic thinking societies”.
Yours sincerely,
Tim

Dr Tim Short
Senior Lecturer in Engineering Design
Department of Engineering
University of Liverpool
Ch.205A, Chadwick Building,
Peach Street,
Liverpool L69 7ZF
Tel. 0151 794 4821


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alchemy

monday morning sitting in tripp’s wifi umbrella, wesport harbor, massachusetts, united states of america, planet earth

back from singapore and launch of global poker strategy, nesson lessig and cohen for starts with an incredible team about to emerge

now three days on alchemy with fern brings me to this moment, listening to our laundry crank on the washing machine

first time back to my email either coming in or going out
thought i’d ride it like a blog journey reflecting on my self
now off to gmail

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should i begin from the bottom or the top
is it hottest news i’m after or solid catching up
back to aug 23
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donziger first with a headline
Europe Entitled to $90 Billion in Trade Concessions
from U.S. Over Gambling Dispute, Report Says

Tiny Antigua’s Victory in Groundbreaking WTO Case Has
Enormous Significance for Several European Industries

how would we mobilize such a constituency
could we do it in facebook

On 8/23/07, W.D. Grissom -medals @centurytel.net – wrote:

SOME American public opinion would be against the WTO. Others of us would relish the bluestockings and bible-thumpers getting the comeuppance they so richly deserve.
cheers
wdg
Cabot Arkansas

referring to my quote in the new york times

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Hi Charlie,

Thanks for opportunity to travel with you to Singapore. It was great
getting to know you.

I am intrigued by the prospects for GPSTS as I believe it raises a number of
intellectually and socially compelling questions. I am eager to help tell
its story and look forward to working with you on the media content further.
I will get started on the items we discussed as soon as I return home and be
in touch with questions or content for you to review as things come
together.

I am also very grateful for the chance to meet Kevin, Roz and Carla. Their
work fascinates me and I want to do everything I can to help them make their
various projects succeed. I have a feeling theirs is a friendship I will
have for many years to come.

Peter

Charles Nesson
to Thomas, Lawrence, Jonathan, Steven, Peter

8:20 am (0 minutes ago)
peter i feel i have known you as long as i have known tom and feel all the love i feel for him for you magnified, reflected

go ahead
cut the most wonderful stuff you can find in what you’ve got and put it up

but if you are cutting you are not shooting which seems a shame unless you have a twin

go ahead
you have full support

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Charlie,

I didn’t get a chance to say goodbye before we all had to leave – I wanted to take an opportunity to congratulate you on such an incredibly wonderful launch of the GPSTS and to thank you for giving me this opportunity. I’ve had such a wonderful experience working with you on this project, and I look forward with such excitement to the great things we’re going to do. Hell, even if we don’t accomplish another thing, you’ve made it possible for me to travel around the world to talk about poker with some of the brightest people I’ve ever met. Thank you for this opportunity, and I look forward to what we’re going to accomplish together.

Warmly,

Andrew

P.S. We’re not a bad teaching team, are we? J

Charles Nesson
to Andrew
Lawrence, Jonathan, Steven

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8:30 am (0 minutes ago)
andrew you are awesome
you blew me away when we were up there together
global poker strategy
here we come

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henrik i am honored by your inquiry. congratulations on your victory. it resonated as a message of truth from denmark

you have an invitation to come speak with my students at harvard. let me talk dates when i get back to my office. i am pleasantly aboard my sailboat now, which somehow seems danish as a place to be

On 8/24/07, Henrik Norsk Hoffmann -hnh @dandersmore.com wrote:

Dear Professor Nesson,

My name is Henrik Norsk Hoffmann and I am an attorney with the Danish law firm DANDERS & MORE.

Among others, I am specialised in gaming law, and am considered the leading expert in Denmark within that area. I am also member of the international organisation International Masters of Gaming Law.

I recently represented the Danish Poker Association in a criminal case, where the issue at hand was whether or not a poker tournament is a game of skill. I won the case, as the district court in Lyngby, a suburb of Copenhagen, ruled in favour of the Danish Poker Association, deciding that a poker tournament is a game of skill.

In Financial Times Weekend last weekend I read an article in which Roger Blitz referred to you and your project on global poker strategic thinking societies in his article “Harvard professor flushes out answer to life’s hard calls: poker”.

I very much agree with your views on poker, and would be interested in learning more about your project, and maybe discuss the various skill elements of the game.

I am looking very much forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

Henrik Norsk Hoffmann

Lawyer
henrik.hoffmann @dandersmore.com

DANDERS & MORE
Lautrupsgade 7
DK-2100 Copenhagen
Telephone +45 33 12 95 12
Telefax +45 33 12 95 15

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Dear Profesor Nesson,
I recently came across an article in the Financial Times which states that you are pushing the teaching of poker in order to “teach respect, business acumen and even war strategy”. I thought you might be interested in the approach that a former colleague (Professor Ernie Appleton) and I have developed, regarding the teaching of engineering design, based on an analogy with card games and poker in particular. We’ve recently written a paper on the analogy – available via http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content….
I note in particular the FT comment that “some of these instincts for survival hardly encouraged notions of mutual trust”; on the other hand, we have drawn the analogy that Toyota’s approach to design effectively puts them in a poker game as 4 different players, each of whom know the other’s hand and is able to share cards to try to make up the best hand to beat the competition …
Anyway, please feel free to come back to me if this approach is of any interest and the best of luck for your “global poker strategic thinking societies”.
Yours sincerely,
Tim

Dr Tim Short
Senior Lecturer in Engineering Design
Department of Engineering
University of Liverpool
Ch.205A, Chadwick Building,
Peach Street,
Liverpool L69 7ZF

Charles Nesson
to prof, Andrew, Tim

9:08 am (0 minutes ago)
yes tim your approach is decidedly of interest. elaboration of the lessons thinking poker teaches against case studies of companies that have learned them will be key to legitimating global poker thinking.

i am cc’ing prof harry tan with whom i am talking about assembling a business conference on poker strategy in singapore and andrew woods gpsts director

recommendation for Ken Stalter

To Whom IT may Concern:

Ken Stalter is a remarkable man, truly individual, truly pursuing his own sense of the good. He has distinguished himself in his work with me and has completely won my respect.

Ken is passionate about ideas. He loves to think about the meanings behind
everyday actions. He thinks about ways one ought to live, how to use intellect to live life. He loves law, and has been finding his passion realized in the work and social environment of law school. He is a learner, open to new ways of thinking. He finds excitement in translating new idea into real change.

Here is part of Ken’s post-mortem on my Winter Evidence Class, 2007. I had divided classtime into two segments, an initial two-week segment intense study of the rules of evidence that was examined and graded, and a following one-week segment in cyber advocacy that was pass/fail, and in which I introduced my students to virtual reality.


Hi, Professor Nesson. What follows are a few of the thoughts that have
been inspired in me over the past few weeks.

I’d like to start out by saying that for me, the bifurcated approach
struck precisely the right balance. I’m not sure it would work well in
a fall/spring semester length course, but I it felt really good for a
three week term. I like grades in general and like the
competitiveness, so I felt like that need was fulfilled by the first
two weeks of class. Then I got to enjoy a dessert of sorts in the
Second Life trial experience. It felt like a space to be a little more
bold and creative.

I had been on Second Life only briefly before this class. After
reading about it in the news in October, I got an account and logged on
for about 20 minutes. I didn’t touch it again until this January.
After I found out we would be using it for the class, I decided to get
more acquainted with it. I traveled to the Berkman area and started
exploring. [This refers to Berkman Island in Second Life where the
Berkman Center has created a virtual Austin Hall and surrounding campus.]
One thing led to another and since then, I’ve spent many
hours in the game learning its mechanics, meeting people, developing my
avatar and building objects.

The reason I became so excited about Second Life and the mock trial was
the fact that it was the tearing down of a division that is usually
pretty rigid in my life. Law is my career and my educational endeavor,
playing video games is one of my pastimes, one which I typically use as
an escape from other parts of my life. Yet suddenly this division
melted away and I found the opportunity to use a video game to engage
with the law. Thus the experience was one that combined two of my
interests and was completely novel. I really enjoyed it.

I would really like to see this idea go further and I’m putting out
feelers in the Second Life world to see what the potential for in-world
dispute resolution is. This is something I’m going to continue playing
with even now that the class has come to an end.

Yet I also agree with you, Professor, when you say that the Second Life
mock trial is–ultimately–trivial. Before the class began and in the
early meetings, I was skeptical of your approach. I was concerned that
you would be someone who was inordinately excited about new media as
educational tools and had perhaps lost your grounding. It turns out
that that was not the case. I came away with the impression that while
you appreciate the novelty and the potential of these devices, your
primary concern, or one of your primary concerns, is helping us to
develop as good lawyers and as good people. And that is, in the end,
what matters.

In many ways, the class felt more similar to classes I took in pursuit
of my undergraduate degree in theater than it did to other law school
classes. Many courses here are reflective in the sense that they
engage how we position our agendas with respect to a legal doctrine.
They ask, should we oppose/promote this? How should we do so? And so
on. This evidence course seemed take that reflective quality to
another level and seemed to ask, what is the role of our emotions in
how we position ourselves? What is the role of identity? What is the
relationship between our internal struggles and our external ones? That
was very refreshing.

For example, the other day, somewhat in the middle of the discussion of
Odysseus’ killing of the suitors, you called our attention to the idea
of recursive loops. For whatever reason, the discussion turned away
from it, but I made a connection that I’ve been thinking a lot about
since. I realized that hatred is a recursive loop. If you hate
someone who’s hurt you, your pain increases because the feeling of
hatred is an unpleasant one. Then the rage flares up even more in
response to the increased pain, fueling further hatred. It feeds upon
itself. This is a fresh idea to me and I imagine I’ll continue
thinking about it for some time. I’m not sure I can yet speak to it’s
full importance.

[snip]

The more I read about Second Life, the more I appreciate the variety of
uses people are putting the game to and the way the experiences they
have in Second Life can influence their first lives. I’ve read about
the experiences of white users playing as black avatars, protests
against French nationalist movements, doctors using Second Life to
recreate the experience of living with schizophrenia and much more.
I’m beginning to suspect we may need to back off from our evaluation of
what we did there as trivial. It might be a seed planted that will
grow into a forest. Who knows what the potential of online law will be
as we dig deeper into this thing called the twenty-first century?

Again the Second Life experience can be best described in Hamlet’s
words. Like the players Hamlet uses to route his usurping uncle,
playing Second Life is “to hold, as it twere, the mirror up to nature.”

Ken Stalter
1/20/07

Ken followed up by taking my spring class, CyberOne: Law in the Court of Public Opinion, and help organize and execute a mock trial of a real dispute in Second Life:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/wiki/Cybertrial_Post-Mortem

I warmly recommend Ken Stalter.